struggle to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, for a larger deal along the lines laid out by the simpson bowls commission is a part of the past that is a disappointment, the key architect of the fix the debt campaign and maya mcginnis. thanks for being with me on this saturday, maya. >> thank you. >> am i right in suggesting that even if a deal is fixed it would be far too small for your liking. >> you are right. the immediate pressing task is to not hurl the country over the fiscal cliff and i disagree it wouldn't be a problem if we went over it, and i worry that the ramifications of going over the cliff could be quite severe, not just that tax increases would be put in place because realistically at some point zee to come to terms with the fact we need to raise revenues and we'll have to raise taxes in one way or another and the point is that the fiscal cliff is a way that we would put a ton of economic damage in the economy and a lot of uncertainty about whether washington can govern. but just as important or using that fiscal cliff and not going over it and using that moment